George Broussard on #Duke3D 3-8-97 Log by Lon Matero ----------------------- *** GeorgB3DR (georgeb@dal1131.computek.net) has joined #duke3d *** D_Nukem sets mode: +o GeorgB3DR no sean got butterflys hehe my white is helping mew vanth! :) thanks only joking <_TheMAD_> hey George he never showed up hi George i was gonna meet sean in irc i heard he woz dead busy Hello George... i have that frightning effect on ppl hiya George Any new blood thoughts?? Blood sux... that's a thought right? Blood was disappointing why joris?? I like Blood now Crap graphics, bot some cool ideas <_TheMAD_> blood, yeah sure, quite nice, tons new stuff added to the engine but all-in-all it's not as entertaining as duke3d because... I don't like the movement... he moves too much like DOOM Some nice new stuff in there hopping around and all... momentary mouse aiming doesn't work :( Hi George Broussard Player control is spongy yeah *** Locke (Bernardd@pm15-s9.colba.net) has joined #duke3d also the atmosphere sucks... So Duke controls better? i aint got caught up in the hype, i aint even got blood yet, duke rules and always will, what could be better than duke? <_TheMAD_> the aiming really, really sux * Vanth can't smell the atmosphere and so didn't notice ;) You're an inspiration for birth control! yeah... he does... Blood also misses a jetpack <_TheMAD_> I aim at a monster while near a wall and it just hits a wall Joris: SW will not have that also. dammit it misses fake multimode/demo record/momentary mouse/CON FILES!!!!/BUILD! hey there george! Duke definitely controls better any programs out there that make the internet like a network for death matches? not having momentary mouse aiming sucks -> [GeorgB3DR] PING george: might I say that blood has too many flaws to have been released :) jesus, what are you comparing?! vanth: yes I wrote monolith about that GeorgB3DR PING reply: 17 secs dukes has been placed on a pedestal high up by the gods and will never be knocked down sup george duke: i wouldn't go THAT far... vadir: Good news for the new Duke game then :) <_TheMAD_> yes, we love duke3d! * Locke blows FakeSatan's head off with a shotgun! George: DCC for a min? Got to talk to you about the book :) *** Locke (Bernardd@pm15-s9.colba.net) has left #duke3d other than the mouse it's been playing fine up until my lockup problems with level 3 Speaking of New Duke Nukem games, one has just be dropped. joris: real fast but I say that it does beat blood out. I think the only advantages of blood is the sound effects :) And the carnival level :) I like interaction George: Can you comment on why the side scroller was canceled? * Vadir bedtime * sounds like a press conference...is duke a reporter :) *** SRley (SRley1st@169-29-106.ipt.aol.com) has joined #duke3d DN: There is NO market for scrollers in the US. They suck sales wize. A good 3D game like Duke otr SW can sell a million copies. No way a side scroller can I'm always bugging George about this stuff :) night vadir its all good duke, I was just playing. I think you should go into reporting George: I thought you would change that... night lithium Simple economics with the scroller. Plus now we can focus more on new Duke game and Prey be a pest...press that is Commander Keen ROX THOUGH!!!!!!! George: In the last three years, every side scroller was dropped, why wait until now to cancel? j/k Any duke sites worth a visit out there? *** Vadir has quit IRC (go to http://wkweb4.cableinet.co.uk/jdickie/unxplain.h tm for free videos/jpegs * ) Give me a job designing it :) I been playing games for 13 yrs now George: exactly why did you sell BLOOD? jvolmax: George isn't saying, already tried :) DN: Market just isn't there. PC players demand more than a scroller (no matter how good) Conflict of interests jvol: Not gonna talk about it... george: lets just say thank heavens you sold it :) DN: We gave it all the chances we could. We though Duke char would make a difference. Really didn't... ok yeah... IMO Blood isn't quite ready for public consumption yet vanth: nope beta maybe :) I noticed some real bad tex alignment in BLOOD And once the whole ceiling moved with a swing door bad bad bad Lithium: exactly thanks for the help Mr White later all matt: hell even the main menu is crappy :) *** Richie__ (someone@pm1-dialup-4.inna.net) has left #duke3d *** ChuPac187 (mitchells@sa6-162.stic.net) has joined #Duke3D *** Rastus (rastus@dal52-14.ppp.iadfw.net) has joined #duke3d Your villeneuve boy just crashed outta the grand prix George? Lithium: heh, yeah... looks pretty cheesy doesn't it George: Epic isn't scared to continue with Jazz 2. Apogee is known for the side scrollers, I guess it's the end of them... hi george! *** USteppin (~bush@ppp16.infi-pos.com) has joined #duke3d So you guys are all waiting for Shadow Warrior now?? yep! Shadow Warrior voice sucks george: have to wait until april :) George: We never stopped waiting :) SuP George You could always release it on the 13th my bday :) *** Mithrus (~Mithrus@van-as-07b15.direct.ca) has joined #Duke3D Matt: the BDP pages haven't been updated in a month or more. Is it coming along? DN: Epic can't get a publisher for Jazz 2 either. It's a hard sell. White: No way! Lo Wang rules :) George shadow warrior will have sloped 3-d floating bridges? Sounds like a B-grade white actor I disagree Mr_White.. I liked the SW voice... the monolog about the sheriken is great! :) Ras : We have a whole new site being developed with major updates on everything chu: don't think so...not common anyway *** Wumpus (emd@gem.donet.com) has joined #duke3d *** bwernicke sets mode: +o Wumpus hey Lo Wang doesnt sound like a hard-ass like Duke or Blood dude DOOOOOOOD!!!! Wumpi Pie hey dood Mr_White: That's because ninjas have honor. Lo Wang has a "personality" though. Check out his new pics on our site yeah honor :) BS artist huh :) Matt: Cool. You, Paul and Jon have made some great levels, so I can't wait to see it in one package. george: love the tatoo's definately leaves those in for mirror shots! exactly!... Humbleness is next to godliness in their book hey george, i got a smiley for Lo.. >-) Ras : Thanks dude, all of the levels in the pack are cool :) leaves=leave not sure how tatoos will reduce but we want to keep them hehe *** Mithrus (~Mithrus@van-as-07b15.direct.ca) has left #Duke3D George: I never got the name of the other new 3D Artist for Prey. ChuPac: Steve Cole said the floating slopes would be possible. :) Ras : How did you know I was in BDP btw? My nickname isnt really on the site anywhere I dont think Yeah i would imagine tatoos to be a pain in sprite creaton creation ((spelling is quite off tonight)) So whats the word on Blood outside of #Duke3D??? I'm looking for a web site with new maps and con's, Can anyone help me? duke: hehe silly he hasnt released it yet :) DN: didn;t give it.... Matt: I think it was on the credit page. cracker - www.elitegames.com george: will shadow warrior have files similar to .cons in duke? George: That's why I'm asking now. George: word on Blood isn't good on Usenet. Thanks Mr White george: mixed emotions from what I hear...love some parts, hate others... CONs were unique to Dukey We just hired Michael Wallin (Lo Wang Pics) and Allen Dilling. Not sure which project they will work on yet.. rastus: I haven't seen that many messages on usenet yet.. george: will shadow warrior or prey have files similar to .cons in duke?? George: exactly, and many of the few that are out there are negative jvol: No, SW will not have cons :( George: comp.sys.ibm.action (or whatever that damn thing is!) got a bunch today. too many bugs methinks jvolmax: No CONs in SW, Prey might have a scripting language. George: how about Prey? rastus: I'll check em out dunno, prey is a year away at least hpefully prey will realease some of their source for modifications in weapons and such :) Vanth: I read your message about the momentary mouse bug. I noticed it, too...sucks! yep George: Blood sucks............ Prey better be alot better how can you not have momentary (especially after Quake)? George: downloaded the Duke It Out in DC demo today. I like it better than Blood. fake: Prey will be very cool, trust me....But Shadow Warrior and the next Duke will be out before Prey blood is supposed to have momentary, but doesnt work fake: you cant compare the two though...different engines. right George... I've been playing Duke for a year now with momentary along with Quake (same mouse settings).. george prey is expected to be released in '98? George: This next duke you're talking about... will it have wire framed monsters and such? rastus: he he Its gameplay that counts, not engine chu: yes, 1998 Mr_White: but how did they miss that in all the beta testing they did?? joris: Yes, next Duke is polygonal engine... og oh gameplay does count, but engine counts as well. . . *** sarah19 (~sarah@HiveQueen.infowest.com) has joined #duke3d We will try to do engine + gameplay :) George: Next Duke Nukem before Prey...this doesn't sound right. I thought DN Forever is a 1999 game. and now I can't even continue my game because level 3 keeps locking up george: good answer. - 1,8FUN COUNTS !beerbottle WOW DN: more info soon. All will make sense young grasshoppa -- Lo Wang It's George! *** sarah19 (~sarah@HiveQueen.infowest.com) has left #duke3d *** camman (dream@wh3016.wave.co.nz) has joined #duke3d *** HanK-AwaY is now known as HanK_HiLL Game can look like a turd, but if it's fun....I mean look at Tetris.. See ya later, Hank's here... jk Can u convert DooM][ WADS to DUKE 3D MAPS ?? geprge: tetris is coming out for nintendo64 :) George: Ok, engine question. Will Forever use the Prey Engine, Enhanced Build, other? Hehe *** WeiRd (sysop_man@Cust94.Max8.Detroit.MI.MS.UU.NET) has joined #duke3d Tetris is great damn my typing classics r fun George, I have a GOOD question, get ready... :) i still play dn1 DN: Not talking about it......yet....stay tuned.... Worst thing about Blood is I've heard people giving up on Shadow Warrior because of it. That's not fair, but I guess it's human nature. :( I love those politician answers :) hank: If it's stupid, Im never answering you agqin George: Will the prey monsters be customizable? If so, will you be able to alter the 'level-structure' through the control files? Rastus: When Shadow Warrior comes out they will pick it up like a drug addiction :) Can u convert DooM][ WADS to DUKE 3D MAPS ?? George, Will there be a program to convert DooM WADs or Duke 3D MAPs with Shadow Warrior? George: y r blood and shadow warrior being released so close together] Rastus: Wait until they give up Blood when SW comes out :) Hope so cos Unreal is like, fully customizable No more Prey talk. Too far away nodnod Hank: I think you can load Duke maps in SW Build. Then convert tags and textures *** camman (dream@wh3016.wave.co.nz) has left #duke3d I believe George has said all he could about Prey. He would just be repeating himself. Oh, I see Thanks again Mr White, gotta try these out :) Fake: Blood's not our game anymore, so I don't care :) no prob cracker :0 George: can i have a free game blood bites the big one...:) *** Cracker_1 has quit IRC (Leaving ) satan: Just summon one up, oh Lord O Darkness FakeSatan: Yes, you can have over 30 free shareware titles from Apogee and 3D Realms. * bwernicke says on a day after Blood comes out... Duke SW still has as many downloads at elitegames.com!!! George, Did you know a code in Blood is "Fork Broussard" and it makes the character dizzy! damn.......had to try but george, the one good thing, is interaction in blood. I.e., the carnival games. . . <_TheMAD_> and, when is SW shareware going to be released?! hank: Cool. I love being more famous. Thanks Nick :) George: I know. Like the people who said, "I'm not playing Duke, cause you said it would come out in a week and it didnt." They were playing it like mad a week later! :) MAD: April or "When it's done." lith: yeah, but we did that in Duke Plutonium already, so... * bwernicke it does not make the charactar dizzy, it is wimp mode, it removes all the possessions How do people already know cheat codes...man that bites if people have to cheat already Hank: doesn't it lower your health to like 1 also? I'm not sure I haven't used it that much I completed it b4 the cheat codes came out So I rock or something george: where are you speaking. . .i have the at. edi. lith" huh??? Lithium: I had to cheat to see level 3... game locks up otherwise... :( George, I don't have a repuatation of asking stupid questions, do I? george: oh was wondering where you were speaking about teh interaction in duke3d. Lithium: The company doesn't release them. People look in the .exe file for them the minute the game is released. Just ignore them if you don't want to use them. vanth: ooooh i c one more prey question...when prey is released is there a posibilty of quake maps for it duke: oh I do. . . :) Just wondering why people cheat? Never understood the concept really and I'm running a p166 with 512k cashe and 32 megs ram.... Duke 1.5 runs smooth as silk in 640x480... *** FakeSatan has quit IRC (Bo0m ) no prey why would prey run quake maps? Only Shadow Warrior and Duke, right George? heheh *** USteppin (~bush@ppp16.infi-pos.com) has left #duke3d actually i wanted to continue talking about tetris :) *** Locke (Bernardd@pm15-s9.colba.net) has joined #duke3d BLOOD is a Duke wanna-be who cares. QUAKE SUCKS I'm gonna cancel Prey, so the questions stop :) come to #ff3 !!!!!!!!!! I guess you can thank Apogee for starting to put cheat codes in every game since the start. *** Locke (Bernardd@pm15-s9.colba.net) has left #duke3d *** SRley (SRley1st@169-29-106.ipt.aol.com) has left #duke3d George, When did you start Blood? george: damn there goes preystation :) Yeah, stop the questions or he will cancel the whole project! Hank: 1994 DN: Yup, I think Apogee was the first mainstream PC company to have cheats in every singfle game. Never made a game without cheats or save/restore. I got tired of pissing away $40 on a game I couldn't save ok george: may I ask you something. . . what enticed you to put cheat codes in a game? hanK; Blood started in 1994? Hard to remember. Maybe 1995 *** bwernicke changes topic to "No more Prey questions for George, or we will shot you the door! " Lithium: btw, I figured out how to check out the aerosol can with the cheat codes :) \ ok vanth: aerosol can? Vanth, What are you talking about? lithium: Why spend $40 on a game you cannot finish? Cheats enabled everyone to do so. So you didn't waste your momneyhg George: Cheats in Apogee games, there were cheats for Stargunner 1.0, but they do not work in 1.1. Are there different cheats in 1.1 or what? george: oh gotcha, guess I never thought of it that way its one of the full game weapons in Blood DN: Not sure...Joe will know Vanth, What's the CODE? you don't actually see the can, only the lighter, but it works Vanth: Sounds like another one of the bugs in Blood you have to use two different codes.. Pisses me off IN Turok64 that i CANNOT save a FRIGGIN game where I want to!!! Have to find a lame ass game. That'ws why console games SUCK!!!!! Spend $75 bucks on a game and have no control over it. flamethrower huh. . . bet they didnt go so far as to add the can exploding if you held the button down too long...now that would be cool. george: heheh damn right! :) lith: That's in Blood... D_Nukem: it is... the flamethrower is 7, but if you hit 8, 9, or 0 (ten) the game will lock (more lockups.. joy!) I'm about ta leave hehe *** NukeBUILD has quit IRC (Mystique - Netherworlds : Enter a realm where nightmares are reality and dreams no longer exsist!! ) *** Mr_White has quit IRC (Leaving ) monolith released the game too early. . . needed some more beta testers apparently Vanth, What's the FLAME THROWER CODE??? SeE yA! rob and I both found 6 errors between our note trading. *** jvolmax has quit IRC ( 2 Mystical Magic� by 4jvolmax ) flamethrower? I dont have the game yet, but that sounds like a rip off of another game called Strife George, Why did you sell an awesome game like Blood??? Strife's was more of a big ball of fire thrower :) Lithium: I didn't even bother writing them down :) Anyone else get a HOM bug when you first try to load a game from the menu? You have to load twice? (Blood) awesome? hank: wasnt awesome :) I am glad they sold it or I would have to look down on 3drealms :) Yep not really its more of a steady stream *** Millenius (friends@kf-0054.dip.cdsnet.net) has joined #Duke3D Oh, I see Hank: I posted it on usenet, but start a new game, hit T, enter "lara croft" then hit T again, enter "spielberg", hit escape twice to ignore the level warp boxes. ok well in the fv anyway BBL then hit 7 to call up the lighter with the invisible can and 500 ammo but don't hit 8,9, or 0 so whats the gas can for in blood? ok mN, they should have stripped out the reg art and code like we did in Duke. Stupid question regarding blood. What the hell is the can in the game for. Can you do anything with the can besides freaking kick it? No amount of hacking will let you get Shadow Warrior weapons 7-9 in shareware :) George: You were talking about cheats and saving in games to make sure you get further. How about an Autosave function where your game is automaticly saved every 5 minutes in a special slot if you forget to save? *** HanK_HiLL has quit IRC (Read error to HanK_HiLL[pool-24.tfb.com]: Connection reset by peer ) *** |NeecH| (who@pppin35.rhein-zeitung.DE) has joined #duke3d they stripped part of it.... just left a back door into the part they left in *** bwernicke sets mode: +b *!*who@*.rhein-zeitung.DE *** |NeecH| was kicked by bwernicke (We do not allow people in warez channels. ) hex editors are our friends :) *** NukeBUILD (netking@tulnas5-15.ionet.net) has joined #duke3d *** bwernicke sets mode: +v NukeBUILD George: it doesn't really matter... the flare gun is cooler than the flamethrower anyhow yah.... they removed all the really cool weapons from Blood except the flare gun that shotgun looks crappy. . . seems like flare gun should have been weapon #4 or something. Fork, shotgun, tommy gun, flare etc.. george: another plus to blood (though there are not many) I like the alternate shooting styles. I do like the secondary mode firing flare gun is way too powerful nah lith: Sure alternate modes are cool. Dark Forces did them first george: yes. . . dfII is coming out! :) Shadow Warrior doesn't have them, but some weapons have several modes. Rocket has normal, heat seeker and NUKE... heat seeker...uhoh George: would there be a way to do a pseudo-Quake style swimming in Shadow Warrior? You could lock the mouse aiming on an let the forward button move you where you face. I can see that being used in a deathmatch mode...too powerful?! Or will it run into walls? minimal heat seeking. to be fair in net play ok :) George: I hear you are good in DukeMatch... can I call you by MODEM sometime... I like my ass wipped hehe... my kind of weapon >:) rastus: yes, but we like Duke swiming better. Especially for Build games yeah why would george be good at dukematch...:) George: is there going to be variable glare on the waters surface in SW, depending upon lighting? lith: clear water is easy (just a speed hit) speaking another language to me son :) did anyone answer my question about blood Questiond Questions questions... hehe *** SRG (~mind@aguascalientes0214.infosel.net.mx) has joined #duke3d *** SRG (~mind@aguascalientes0214.infosel.net.mx) has left #duke3d Anyone see my autosave suggestion? no :) George: okay, would it be possible to mask the surface of the water on a user level so that one can only see out? This is what I'm really wondering.. <_TheMAD_> oh yeah, blood has transparent water and it's preety cool, I also like the tracks that the guns leave on the walls Lithium: No for me? vanth: don't think so... *** Snowslide (while@login026.nelson.netidea.com) has joined #duke3d George: ah.. cool vanth : do that in BUILD if youre smart ;) blood: transparent water??!?!?!? Where *** LedBetter has quit IRC (Leaving ) Lithium: Yep, I saw it. GeorgB3DR PING reply: 3 secs lith: small pools (128x128) on level 5 or 6 Lithium_ PING reply: 1 secs The: Haven't finished Blood yet. Where was the trans water? Great god, Shadow Warrior looks hella awesome I think level 6. george: hrm I will have to check that out Hey, how do you place sector effectors in build? *** MattCake has quit IRC (Read error to MattCake[inloco.demon.co.uk]: EOF from client ) Or level 5 *** ^tinky (joy@ash35.ramlink.net) has joined #duke3d mill: See the shots on the web? Cool. Cause they suck now :) blood had a shitty ending as well...sw needs SOME kind of ending 3Hey, how do you place sector effectors in build? George: The ones added Thrusday suck? What are those annoying mafia monks in blood saying? lith: I'm sure SW will end like Duke did. Short, sweet, content driven cinematic. Blood give you more than a text screen (or go Quake route??) Is Allen doing SW levels? george: which duke normal or atomic? DN: Um, after some of our new blood splatter effects...yes.. :) TheMad: Duke did the weapons tracks on the wall first *** Wumpus sets mode: -b *!*Craig@*.worldpath.net which ending that is rastus: No, but we have 3 mini-gods doing them *** _TheMAD_ has quit IRC (ann-arbor.mi.us.undernet.org los-angeles.ca.us.underne t.org ) *** ChuPac187 has quit IRC (ann-arbor.mi.us.undernet.org los-angeles.ca.us.undern et.org ) 6Hey, how do you place sector effectors in build? George: I was thinking about saving the games and getting further in games. How about an Autosave option, every 5 minutes the game automaticly saves your game in a special slot in case you forget to save? sector effector, sounds like the name of a bad garage band vanth: No doubt, and we did it 2 years earlier in Rise of the Triad (whish was first with capture the flag and team play) Goerge: Really? Gonna have to check that out once it comes out. :) Snow: just hit S in either 2d or 3D mode and put the cursor over it (in 3D) and hit v. Select the Sector Effector sprite. DN: Nah, the hard drive would gnash and it'd piss people off... duketag is cool, just wish they had something that you could play with only 2 players. . .HINT HINT *** bwernicke sets mode: -b *!*Craig@*.worldpath.net lith: Shadow Warrior CTF is cool, but we got lots of bugs to work out of it george: can you play with two players? George: BLOOD SUCKS!!! The monster AI is in the freaking SOURCE CODE! George: ah... right you are... forgot about ROTT lith: yes, but it'd be a race :) joris: Sane with SW ;) George: Autosave would be great if that slowdown in saving could be reduced. And make is an option. good deal...:) George: with no more sidescrollers (and pinball by Pinball Wizards) is Apogee a thing of the past? *** Snowslide (while@login026.nelson.netidea.com) has left #duke3d DN: That's what Duke's QuickSave (F6?) is for. 2 key hits to a save. simple two keyhits...oooh the insanity of it all rastus: No, but we're evolving. Apogee is just the parent company that owns it all. Forgetting to save is a problem though. We might branch out into the real time strategy (War2) market too. Who knows... cool OH AWESOME! DN: If you "forget" to save, then you must pay. Such is natural selection I have no idea how you keep up with all this, George. :) George: You and Joe both, when I say Apogee, you guys always add 3D Realms :) I'd like to see that: an Apogee War2-style game That would RULE War: With prostitues you could send into enemy camps to distract troops :) LOL Hehehe... definately need the hos! Millenius: Here is how I look at it. Apogee is the company developing all the games and publishing others. 3D Realms and Pinball Wizards are just "labels" to cover up the games. It's all Apogee, just the others are marketing things.