George Broussard in #Level_Design  7-10-97

Log by HaNeDoGGa
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<magicman_> 3dr?
<GeorgB3DR> yup ;)
<magicman_> welcome
<GeorgB3DR> hi
<Gripp> whoa
<magicman_> yeah, exactly
<Gripp> george
<GeorgB3DR> hey dude...
<Gripp> first lithium... now george.
<Gripp> cool. heh.
<magicman_> it's prey's new home
<GeorgB3DR> lith said this was a place where mappers like hung and stuff ;)
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<magicman_> you betcha ....yahhh
<Gripp> george: good mappers, that is. :)
<GeorgB3DR> hehe, there are bad mappers? ;)
<MrBunyan> hehe
<Gripp> heh
<magicman_> oh yeah...just ask MrB
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<MrBunyan> -c=
<magicman_> heh
<Gripp> george: Do you guys have any Stingray 128/3D's there that you're testing 
   Prey on?
<GeorgB3DR> gripp:  No, but I think we have a real rush card from 3Dfx etc
<magicman_> yeah, Gripp will donate one for ya
<GeorgB3DR> and some other r&d cards as well
<MrBunyan> cool
<Gripp> george: cool. I was just curious as to whether prey was slower like 
   glquake is.
<GeorgB3DR> wouldn't think so at all
<GeorgB3DR> if it is I haven't heard it
<MrBunyan> how far are the levels for Prey?
<GeorgB3DR> since Prey is all hardware...period...maybe it makes use of the 
   hardware better?
<magicman_> more than likely it does
<magicman_> which is very cool
<GeorgB3DR> MrB:  We're really just starting to piece it together.  Still playing 
   with styles and looks etc
<GeorgB3DR> They are working on a cool "bone" system for actors and William is 
   adding more cool stuff to engine
<GeorgB3DR> Tom is researching Internet/lan play, so it's all coming together
<magicman_> you level guys get to "request" engine enhancements?
<MrBunyan> when are you looking to bring another mapper in?
<RATM> will duke4ever screen shots be released soon?
<GeorgB3DR> magic: everyone talks about what aould be "cool" to add, and we pick 
   the stuff that fits best
<magicman_> nod
<Gripp> Heh. This is like the l33t little 3dr interview.. sort of.
<GeorgB3DR> ratm:  Dunno, I'm willing to let the other 3D games fight it out 
   first.  Duke has little to prove
<magicman_> heh...George is prolly sorry he came in here
<Gripp> never imagined a question/answer on EFNET w/ <10ppl.
<HaNeDoGGa> heh gripp
<GeorgB3DR> MrB:  When we find good ones.  We'll bring on 2 in the next couple of 
   months 
<MrBunyan> I'll send my reusme...
<GeorgB3DR> gripp:  I'm cool that way ;)
<GeorgB3DR> MrB:  If you got cool maps etc, see our site and send them to Paul
<GeorgB3DR> Site has full info
<MrBunyan> played the Vigil?
<HaNeDoGGa> his maps rock
<GeorgB3DR> We "might" actually look for a 4th Duke Forever mapper too, but that 
   decision is not final yet
<MrBunyan> what's Phantom stock?
<GeorgB3DR> It's like stock in the company, so when we go public, or sell, you 
   share in it
<MrBunyan> when do you plan to go public?
<GeorgB3DR> never at the moment, but most companies do that or sell, to a parger 
   company.  We get offers all the time to sell
<magicman_> I bet
<magicman_> everyone wants in on the action
<MrBunyan> you guys using Id's editor?
<magicman_> heh
<GeorgB3DR> yeah, you get one hit game and everyone wants a piece ;)  but it's 
   really cool to do the games we want to do, with no pressure
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<magicman_> MrBunyan: that's blasphemy
<magicman_> right on george
<GeorgB3DR> MrB:  So far
<MrBunyan> If you could sacrifice one thing in your maps, would it be complex 
   architexture or original design?
<GeorgB3DR> why would we have to sacrifice those things?
<MrBunyan> well, if you had time restraints
<GeorgB3DR> Framerate is the ultimate GOD of all you will do
<magicman_> heh
<RATM> so your using quake right now but when id releases it u will use quake 2?
<GeorgB3DR> we don't believe in time restraints.  they lead to crap games.  But 
   when we get in a real hurry, you make sure 1) it's fast framerate and 2) it's 
   good deathmatch (cause they are samller and easier to make).  If you have 
   time, you then go for awesome single play
<GeorgB3DR> ratm:  Yes
<GeorgB3DR> We are doing general design and trying ideas, and building modesl etc 
   to Q2 specs
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<magicman_> they pretty up front with new specs/additions with you guys?
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<magicman_> hey gig^away
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<HaNeDoGGa> giggler
<GeorgB3DR> yeah, we have a solid relationship with id.  known them longer than 
   anyeone
<magicman_> oh, damn
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<giggler> hey magic
<giggler> hane
<giggler> hey George
<GeorgB3DR> mike
<Byte_aSc> hey gig.. long time no see..
<giggler> hi Byte
<MrBunyan> what DM enhancements are you gonna have in Duke?
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<GeorgB3DR> MrB:  Whatever we think of.  We certainely aren't going to spoil it 
   all now ;)
<Byte_aSc> hehe
<magicman_> heh, bunny, trying to pry
<magicman_> shame on you man
<Calrathan> heh
<Byte_aSc> do you have a number right now of how many levels will be in Duke??
<GeorgB3DR> Byte:  I've spec'd out a lot of the Duke levels and ideas.  There 
   will be the "normal" amount, give or take
<magicman_> no 100 level game? come on
<Byte_aSc> 3-4 episodes type setup with 7-8 levels per episode sound: about right?
<GeorgB3DR> no,levels take the longest of all the jobs (code, art etc).  So thay 
   have to be great, and that means lotsa time tweaking etc
<GeorgB3DR> byte:  In da ballpark, yes
<Byte_aSc> awesome.
<GeorgB3DR> It's Duke, so 12 would be cool ;) (just kidding)
<Byte_aSc> hehe
<magicman_> hah
<Byte_aSc> do you have any current plans that you can mention regarding what is 
   next after duke and all?
<GeorgB3DR> byte: I have ideas, but not gonna let em outta the bag this early.  
   With Duke and Prey we have our hands full
<magicman_> sheesh...
<Byte_aSc> true..
<magicman_> man, that'd be looking quite a wats ahead
<magicman_> heh
<Byte_aSc> yeh, just wondering =)
<Calrathan> are you talking about duke3d ][?
<Gripp^BSP> damnit! I wish BSP .77 didn't have those damn select/drag bugs... 
   grrrrrrrr.
<GeorgB3DR> You also can't really guage technology more than 18 months or more 
   away, and that affects game design in a major way
<magicman_> heh
<magicman_> gripp: man, go back to .76
<Byte_aSc> can we expect the same type of stuff like quake has.. such as runes, 
   and powerups of that sort?
<magicman_> what do you need .77 for anyway?
<Byte_aSc> very true regarding technology
<GeorgB3DR> byte:  doubt it.  This is Duke, not a fantasy setting game
<HaNeDoGGa> :)
<magicman_> ha, good point
<Byte_aSc> yeh, i has always been one to like 90's settings and stuff. more real..
<Gripp^BSP> magic: I can't use .76 because the little texture spinner is broken. 
   :(  I gotta stick with .75 for now.
<magicman_> ahhh
<Gripp^BSP> direction spinner that is.
<magicman_> yahn said new version this weekend or early next week
<magicman_> gripp: I knew what you meant
<magicman_> heh
<HaNeDoGGa> yahn rules
<Byte_aSc> i know i heard probably have a episode based in vegas.. with working 
   slot machines etc.. what about the other episodes. i havent heard much about 
   them?
<GeorgB3DR> byte:  We're keeping quite, but the game is set in and around 
   Vegas....so far ;)
<GeorgB3DR> Duke, vegas, gambling, strippers, mobsters, you do the math ;)  FUN!
<Byte_aSc> sounds fun. can't wait  =)
<HaNeDoGGa> heh, strippers
<Byte_aSc> will duke be more violent then duke nukem3d is now?? or about the 
   same. more blood and guts and stuff?
<GeorgB3DR> byte:  We're looking to push all boundries with the next game
<MrBunyan> GeorgB3DR: do you play Quake maps that are on the net?
<Byte_aSc> i can see the release.. Duke Nukem Forever = Not Rated when it comes 
   out hehe
<GeorgB3DR> MrB:  My DeathMatch time has gone to ZERO the last 6 months.   Just 
   too busy
<HaNeDoGGa> are you doing high quality models of strippers and transforming 
   them.. since they seem to be one of duke nukems high points? :)
<RATM> in one of the .plan files it mentioned recording new lo wang sounds about 
   that CGW article will they be on the net or in the game
<GeorgB3DR> ratm:  on web site when we get some free time
<Gripp^BSP> wewp... I've got a ppro180 on my desk, next to a p100... editing on 
   the 100, playing mp3's on the 180... What's wrong w/ this picture?
<magicman_> haha
<Byte_aSc> do you forsee using real models for any of your upcoming 3d games? i 
   mean live action, like hane said even regarding strippers etc?
<HaNeDoGGa> which mp3's? :)
<HaNeDoGGa> i got some good ones for ya
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<GeorgB3DR> byte:  That'd be some fun research.  Um, Penthouse, like we need Ms. 
   March for a week ;)
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<magicman_> haha
<Byte_aSc> hehe
<MrBunyan> I assume Prey will be designed with a client/server architure, right?
<magicman_> george wouldn't get any mapping done
<HaNeDoGGa> haha.. cool
<HaNeDoGGa> er.. duke3d
<Byte_aSc> is the plans for duke to be using regular quake netcode or quakeworld 
   type netcode??
<GeorgB3DR> Mr:  yes
<GeorgB3DR> Byte:  I think the Q2 engine uses QWorld, so we'd use that
<HaNeDoGGa> george: i'd be will to work for prey for free if i was able to do 
   that part <G>
<MrBunyan> how will the physics in prey compare to, say, Trespasser?
<Byte_aSc> =)
<GeorgB3DR> MrB: There are/will be cool physics in Prey, but it's not a sim like 
   tresspasser
<GeorgB3DR> don't expect air flow to be modelled over a t-rex's head ;)
<magicman_> haha
<Byte_aSc> i know a addon pack was released for duke3d. actually 2, if you count 
   the washington dc thingy... do you see that for the next duke?
<MrBunyan> what aspects of realism do you think hurt or enhance gameplay?
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<GeorgB3DR> Byte:  Sure, and even more now that Duke is more popular
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<GeorgB3DR> MrB:  Realistic movement.  Fun is fun.  I want Mario, so I can do 
   anything.  I HATE jumping in Quake
<GeorgB3DR> but that's just me ;)  most people like it
<Byte_aSc> are you gonna do like id did with mission packs and have some official 
   mission packs or something close released by other people??
<magicman_> heh
<magicman_> hate jumping or hate quake jumping?
<GeorgB3DR> byte:  probably.  I don't think we'll use our time on add-ons again.  
   We're better used making new, fresh games
<Byte_aSc> true..
<GeorgB3DR> magic:  latter
<MrBunyan> will there be a public test of the prey engine?
<Byte_aSc> that allows for us to have better games from you guys..
<GeorgB3DR> dunno this far in advance.
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<HaNeDoGGa> george: are you writing new code for the mouse in duke/prey because 
   the old mouse code kinda sucked?
<magicman_> how about a private test in my room?
<GeorgB3DR> probably won't need it, since it's a hardware based game, we have a 
   small set of video cards to test on
<Byte_aSc> can you say, when and if a public demo of Duke will be released??
<GeorgB3DR> hane:  Controls in Duke will start as Quake (since we have code) and 
   be tweaked from there.  Prey is all new
<MrBunyan> is prey d3d or OpenGL? (or native versions for several cards?)
<Byte_aSc> that means joystick will work, but of course joystick is not 
   recommended for a true 3d type game.
<Calrathan> where can I find screenshots of Prey and Duke?
<GeorgB3DR> playing 3d actiuon game with joystick is like f**king with a rubber ;)
<Byte_aSc> hehe
<magicman_> haha
<HaNeDoGGa> muhaha
<GeorgB3DR> cal:  Prey at www.3drealms.com, or preystation.com
<Calrathan> thanks
<magicman_> cal: www.preystation.com
<Gripp^BSP> george: Heh... I wouldn't say that...  I wouldn't "play quake" w/o a 
   rubber if she wasn't on birth control.
<GeorgB3DR> hehe
* magicman_ tries to figure out Gripp's analogy
<HaNeDoGGa> george: excellent
* HaNeDoGGa likewise
* MrBunyan gives a prescription for the pill to the prey team
<Byte_aSc> lol
<magicman_> ha
* Calrathan laffs
<Gripp^BSP> I think they missed a bet with the space orb... They should have made 
   the little ball out silicon, so it felt like a breast... Then people would use 
   it more.
<Byte_aSc> rotfl
<MrBunyan> heh yeah, with a ittel nipple
<magicman_> haha
<HaNeDoGGa> hehe
<magicman_> might not scroll as well then though
<Byte_aSc> hmm, this conversation is going the wrong way =)
<Gripp^BSP> yeah, instead of a "coolie hat"
<GeorgB3DR> gripp:  The SpaceNip ;)
<Byte_aSc> hehe.
<HaNeDoGGa> is there a right way? :)
<Gripp^BSP> george: hellz yeah, dude.  Gotta get that into Duke4!!!
<magicman_> haha
<Calrathan> WOAH! Prey looks awesome!
<Gripp^BSP> george: that's why duke rules, cuz it makes fun of comtemporary stuff.
<GeorgB3DR> cal:  and that's the worst it's ever gonna look
<Calrathan> hehe
<Calrathan> cool
<GeorgB3DR> away guys...
<Byte_aSc> cya
<Calrathan> I like the colored lights
<HaNeDoGGa> quake2 has that :)
<Byte_aSc> colored lighting is a strong point in games today
<magicman_> either that or it's a buzz word in games today
<Byte_aSc> hmm, if quake2 does, that mean duke should for sure..
<HaNeDoGGa> is prey using 256 colors or 16 bit?
<MrBunyan> Byte_aSc: yeah, when it's used properly, i've seen some really gawdy 
   uses of it
<Gripp^BSP> hane: 16bit, foo.
<HaNeDoGGa> cool
<Byte_aSc> true mrb
<GeorgB3DR> prey is 16bit, all 3d accelerated hardware...babeeee ;)
<HaNeDoGGa> Gripp^BSP, i dont know shit about prey.. only saw like 4 sshots
<Gripp^BSP> hane: hehe.  Just go do some homework. :)
<HaNeDoGGa> excellent
<MrBunyan> I hated how Quake 2 had seemingly arbitrary placement of bunches of 
   green and red lights.
<HaNeDoGGa> of
<HaNeDoGGa> Gripp^BSP, too many dam 3d games to keep track <G>
<magicman_> MrBunyan: and you've seen Quake2?
<magicman_> woo
<Gripp^BSP> The real key to colored lighting is using it in moderation...
<MrBunyan> magicman_: yeah, I was at E3
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<MrBunyan> Gripp^BSP: agreed!
<Gripp^BSP> If a room is flooded with colored light, it's kind of... assy.
<magicman_> heh
<Gripp^BSP> Unless there's a reason (code red-alert or something).
* MrBunyan pats Gripp^BSP on the back
<magicman_> oh yeah
<HaNeDoGGa> i see an upside
<Byte_aSc> george: is duke gonna be using opengl or d3d support?
<HaNeDoGGa> Disco maps!!
<Gripp^BSP> But having a colored glow from a monitor...
<Gripp^BSP> hane: YES!!!!!!!
<GeorgB3DR> byte:  Duke Forever will do what Quake 2 does, GL (3dfx etc)
<Byte_aSc> hhe
<Byte_aSc> okay.. just be tweaked around some right?
<GeorgB3DR> Colored lights need to justify their existence
* MrBunyan looks forward to 3d hardware that can do disco balls
<Byte_aSc> colored lights in a strip bar is fine, in a vegas casino is fine.. but 
   in some locations no =)
<GeorgB3DR> We can do disco balls in Prey ;)
<MrBunyan> GeorgB3DR: agreed
<Gripp^BSP> buny: 3dfx voodoo can do it easy.
<Gripp^BSP> buny: It's got that projected lighting stuff.
<HaNeDoGGa> huh huh
<MrBunyan> at a decent clip?
<magicman_> prey + disco balls....hmmmm
<Byte_aSc> heh
<MrBunyan> with hundreds of reflections?
<Gripp^BSP> buny: did you check out the "demoroom" demo with colored lighting? If 
   you switched a few lights in, there was like this cloudy thing that it did.
<HaNeDoGGa> i got dibs on disco balls for every other game <G>
<Byte_aSc> duke + disco balls.. would look good in the proper map..
<Byte_aSc> duke goes dancing hehe
<GeorgB3DR> cya guys...need to get back to work...
<Gripp^BSP> buny: No, that's silly.  Just take a texture with the little 
   diamonds, use it for the projected lighting, and do it in 3 colors... And spin 
   each a little differently.
<MrBunyan> later, I'll send my resume tonight
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