George Broussard in #Duke3D  12-4-96

Log made by Lon Matero
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<GeorgB3DR> hey guys...
<Viacom> $@!!
<Viacom> !%!5
<QWAB> hey George
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<QWAB> i gotta change server
<QWAB> oh my goss
<GeorgB3DR> Need some info on the Plut PAK slowdown bug.  Who can re-create it?
<QWAB> i didnt misss George
<Viacom> the main guy !
<RobBrown> Hi George. What's new?
<QWAB> you guys better log this
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<Viacom> of the compmany
<QWAB> brb chanign srevers
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<RobBrown> Blackhand:Can you re-create it?
<D_Nukem> Hi George!
<LeChuck> Hey George!
<GeorgB3DR> Who has the Plut PAK slowdown bug and can re-creat it?
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<D_Nukem> Blackhand: Can you call up MtlHead and get him here?
<GeorgB3DR> Matt...the stalker..
* Rott_hw will brb
<RobBrown> I'm not sure Balckhand is even monitoring
<MattCake> George: da da da daaaaa
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<Viacom> george I as talking to someone wh stole the pluto pack!!
<LeChuck> Alright!  Another chance to make a comment about D_Nukem's bedtime and 
have it get in a log ;)
<D_Nukem> LeChuck: You! You! :)
<Viacom> its time for bed too late!
<AlfredE> tsup George
<_TheMAD_> I have no hardware cache and when I run Plutonium it slows down like 
hell after a while .. now I've solved it by running SMARTDRV.. simple :) 
But.. I'm gonna buy some cache soon
<Blackhand> Depends what you mean by recreate ;)
<GeorgB3DR> Is plut pak in your local stores yet?
<MattCake> no
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<GeorgB3DR> themad:  Not the same bug, I don;t think..
<D_Nukem> QWAB: Look! :)
<QWAB> George, do u plan to be here when i am not?
<QWAB> i know
<AlfredE> Le: you have sort of low aspirations, eh?
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<_TheMAD_> The BOTS slow down the game sometimes.. specially on stadium .. and 
also when I'm shooting devastator. I guess the computer thinks for each of 
the Bots how to evade the shots.
<GeorgB3DR> The bug is when the game just chuggs down to 10-15 FPS and stays 
there.  Not a momentary deal at all.  It syas slow
<QWAB> i am so happy
<QWAB> i finnaly talk to him
<GeorgB3DR> themad:  yup, all normal
<D_Nukem> George: Have you guys had any luck reproducing it?
<QWAB> i can make duke3d v1.3d slow down easily :) 486 blues
<AlfredE> George: NO!
<GeorgB3DR> black:  Well, we have one machine that reproduces it every time you 
go from level 1 to level 2 in mission 4.  every time
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<AlfredE> I'm in San Antonio. Couldn't find it yesterday
<GeorgB3DR> dn:  Yes, only one machine in 25 though
<QWAB> but seriously my duke3d v1.3d lags alot when there are 2 ore more 
octabrina
<LeChuck> QWAB: Yeah, he hates you ;)
<QWAB> thsnkd rob
<GeorgB3DR> qwab: yup, all normal though.  Duke is nearly a Pentium game
<QWAB> now what did i want to ask George???
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<QWAB> i think he just wants to annoy me
<RobBrown> So can anyone help George out here?
<Nvass> hi lechick
<QWAB> and of course i am lagged
<Nvass> lechuck:
<Nvass> sorry
<Nvass> typo
<Nvass> hi D_nukem
<Viacom> george can get more computers?
<QWAB> ya i know
<D_Nukem> Hi Nvass
<Viacom> few thousand one should do it
<QWAB> that sucks
<QWAB> i have a friend who plays duke on a 486 sx 25!!!!
<LeChuck> Hey Nvass.  Its about time! ;)
<RobBrown> Carl:How does the slowdown bug occur with you? Is it totally 
spuractic?
<QWAB> i dont have the ppak yet
* MattCake is not a happy chappy :(
<QWAB> George if you want you can check out my new b
<RobBrown> MattCake:Don't worry, be happy. :)
<QWAB> George if you want you can check out my new Blood page it is at 
http://www.mbnet.mb.ca/~tnikkel/blood/
<Viacom> rob how many computers are at 3drealms?
<RobBrown> Viacom:I have no idea
<QWAB> rob you should tell the other ops to +v me
<Viacom> why not
<MattCake> rob:Trying :|
<Viacom> you work for them
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<QWAB> so George who are the 3-4 mousers in the world that can beat you??
<Chron> hi
<_TheMAD_> Pluto takes 20Mb of the Hard Drive.. a lot for only 1 episode and 
some new stuff.. but I realised you changed the sound so now it sounds more 
3D
<RobBrown> I'm out of house Viacom. I've never meet them in person
<GeorgB3DR> dunno, i killed them all in their sleep :)
<D_Nukem> Rob: Yet :)
<QWAB> and one more question what keys do u use?
<Chron> where i can get kali1.1c ?
<Viacom> well you should
<QWAB> he he
<GeorgB3DR> themad:  We added 20 megs of new art/sounds etc.  Guess we could 
have just cheesed out and done levels only?
<LeChuck> Rob: I think you should +v ME too :P.  I've been hanging out in this 
channel about as long as the ops ;)
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<RobBrown> LeChuck:Do a !voice
<_TheMAD_> I played a modem deathmatch today and it was very slow sometimes
<Viacom> !voice
<LeChuck> !voice
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<Viacom> !voice
<QWAB> what did George say when i wasnt here?
<Viacom> ¡voice
<RobBrown> LeChuck is special. :)
<Viacom> yea in the specail olyimpics!
<QWAB> QWAB is too???
<RobBrown> Yes QWAB...you're a dude also. :)
* Chron -->> please, where i can get kali v 1.1c ?
<AlfredE> he said "Thank god that wierdo QWAB isn't here"
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<QWAB> thanks
<RobBrown> AHHAH!
<RobBrown> Awesome Alfred!
<LeChuck> ;)
<LeChuck> Thank you.
<jamm> hey dose anyone have any duke3d levels
<_TheMAD_> Is a patch for pluto planed soon?
<jamm> that they heave made there own
* MattCake is back from   -=°™Popopop™°=- AwaY AwaY FoR   hour[s] and   
minute[s] 
<D_Nukem> MAD: "When it's done" :)
<RobBrown> TheMad:That's why George is here...he's trying to get info on a bug 
so they can fix it!
<_TheMAD_> you know, the dukebots could go easy on that strafing a little bit :)
<jamm> come on dose anyone have any duke3d levels that they have made there 
selfs
<_TheMAD_> They're just too smart sometimes.. but when you corner them...
<QWAB> i doubt George even remembers me from the 1st and only other time i have 
chated with him
<QWAB> is there gonna be a 1.4d?
<MattCake> jamm:yeah, I have
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<jamm> come on dose anyone have any duke3d levels that they have made there 
selfs
<D_Nukem> QWAB: 1.4 is the PPAk   1.3D was a part of the 3D thing
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<RobBrown> Actually.....there were internal 1.3 versions...that's why they went 
to a 1.3D I believe
<GeorgB3DR> MAD:  What problems are there?  We only know of one real one?
<D_Nukem> Lets get it straight and ask the man himself.
<GeorgB3DR> rob:  No, we picked 1.3d cause it sounded cool :)
<AlfredE> George: Like Doom's 1.666?
<RobBrown> Shows what the dumb beta testers know huh? :)
<D_Nukem> Duke Nukem 3 was named Duke Nukem 3D, so v1.3 was named 1.3D
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<QWAB> i know maybe just a bug fix for 1.4d
<GeorgB3DR> alfred:  yup..
<D_Nukem> QWAB: 1.4 not 1.4d :)
<GeorgB3DR> So, what bugs are in Plut PAK that need to be fixed?  Any real ones?
<Viacom> ok time to go
<RobBrown> George:Are you here for bug info or can we ask about Shadow Warrior a 
bit?
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<AlfredE> George: Yeah, I've got one: I can't find it in Texas!
<D_Nukem> George: Were my 8 bugs real? :)
<GeorgB3DR> Plut bugs.  Some SW I guess
<MattCake> George:I'll give you a full report when I get it <g> Cserve people 
should know how I criticise things :)
<GeorgB3DR> DN:  no, they were nit picky and not worthy of a new version for 
themselves :)
<RobBrown> Okay..let's take care of business before we get into pleasure then. 
:)
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<QWAB> d_nukem but i am talkin a bug fix update
<RobBrown> D_Nukem:hahahhah! SlAM!!!
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<QWAB> i dont have ppak yet...
<Karl> Hi all!!
<Viacom> time for bed!
<TheMAD> in DukeBurger.. in the bathroom where it says 
<Viacom> bye!!!
<Viacom> see ya george!
<D_Nukem> Ok, I'll have to dig up some more then...
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* RobBrown thinks George totally crushed D_Nukem and he will never be the same. 
:)
<Karl> I'm looking for Allied General cheat codes.
<TheMAD> Think small on the wall .. I once shot the mirror and got stuck in it.. 
couldn't get out and the screen was f*cked up
<AlfredE> Karl: Wrong channel, man
<LeChuck> Shucks... I don't know anything about the PP bug, so I'll have to wait 
through all the bug stuff before I can start asking some questions...
<GeorgB3DR> themad:  There are a few map bugs.  We will maybe fix them in the 
future
<RobBrown> Karl:I don't have any cheats to that game. Sorry
<Blackhand> D i want a copy of the log later ;)
* AlfredE will stand back. He doubts that D_Nukem has the stamina to recover 
from that dis from George.   =+}
<Karl> Alfred: please tell me the name of the right channel.
<D_Nukem> Blackhand: Talk to Rob, I think he will be doing all that
<LeChuck> One time I fell out of the map in Red Light District, but that's the 
only bug I've ever seen in the game, other than the pipebomb/manhole thing.
<Karl> Thank's Rob.
<AlfredE> Karl: Don't know, but #Duke3d doesn't have Allied General stuff...;+}
<MattCake> Chuck-play spaceport, top floor, you can get squished
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<MattCake> chuck-and squished behind a door in HH
<GeorgB3DR> Ok, no real plut pak bugs then. A few SW questions, then I gotta get 
back to work
<MattCake> or clipped upstairs
<RobBrown> Carl:I log everything...I'll take care of you bud. :)
<D_Nukem> George: When 800x600 is run in Duke3D, the frame rate(DNRATE) is shown 
in very small numbers, hard to read. 
<TheMAD> You could've put the Enlarger in some other levels except "The Birth"
<GeorgB3DR> DN:  your point?
<AlfredE> Matt: I think that's a door thing. I've seen that in a lot of user 
maps
<GeorgB3DR> themad: noted
<D_Nukem> George: The frame rate numbers font should be increased...
<Karl> Alfred: thanks
<GeorgB3DR> DN: Don't think that's going to happen
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<AlfredE> George: Specifically, do you know what multiplayer options there'll be 
in SW? (IPX, etc)
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<QWAB> dumb modem disconneceted
<GeorgB3DR> Any Shadow Warrior questions???
<D_Nukem> George: A million :)
<GeorgB3DR> Al: Modem, IPX, serial.  That's it
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<MattCake> jamm:acknowledge
<AlfredE> George: I gave one
<chains11> hey
<RobBrown> George:Switching to SW, I've figured out which weapon is the shotgun 
from the shell ejecting, Which weapon is the grenade launcher:Can you desribe 
it at all?
<LeChuck> Okay...
<QWAB> george can i ask what keys you use??
<D_Nukem> George: How many monsters are in Shareware/Registered SW?
<LeChuck> I'm trying to think of one now (Think of plenty right after you 
leave... but not when you're here)
<chains11> anyone else have duke crash during opening animation of new episode?
<GeorgB3DR> Rob: Grenade launcher is weapon 5.  Just fires a shell out that 
bounces around and detontates.  Will detonate on direct contact too.
<RobBrown> Does it look bluish from the screenshots/livecam?
<GeorgB3DR> chains:  Where does it crash?  Which part of the anim?  How much 
memory you have?
<AlfredE> George: past the coolies and the ninjas (and the big guy) do you have 
any enemy info for us?
<LeChuck> You guys ever thought of sticky grenades?
<GeorgB3DR> rob:  not really
<LeChuck> That'd be something new.
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<RobBrown> LeChuck:They have sticky bombs already in
<GeorgB3DR> Alfred:  The rippers.  Small, fast, tough, gorilla like dudes that 
beat their chest and run at you,  Can sling to walls and claw you at close 
range
<TheMAD> In very small levels like stadium.. when I play 8 player BotMatch.. 
after some time the game just halts itself and then comes back after a minute 
or so? why is it?
<chains11> george: about 6 sec in to animation, only 8mb ram :(
<Snifit_1> hi all
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<TheMAD> I've been told it's the bodies liyng around
<LeChuck> Oh cool... can you stick them to enemies too?
<GeorgB3DR> le:  Already in.  Sticky Mines will stick to walls, floors, 
ceilings, or even characters, and detonate when something gets near
<RobBrown> LeChuck:They stick to ANYTHING
<LeChuck> Um... will there be bots in Shadow Warrior?
<GeorgB3DR> chains:  Thanks.  Press space to skip it and you will be ok.  I 
think it's a low mem problem
<GeorgB3DR> le:  yes
<GeorgB3DR> rob:  For the most par
<AlfredE> George: do you know when the shareware of SW will be out? Or is it 
just "when it's ready" for now?
<GeorgB3DR> t
<RobBrown> I shoulda said Nearly anything. ;)
<QWAB> is there armor in sw? if so only one kind or more than one?
<LeChuck> George: Rippers sound cool... do they make ape noises like "Rauggh!" ?
<chains11> plut pak rules
<RobBrown> QWAB:Good question
* RobBrown slaps himself for not thinking of that one
<GeorgB3DR> alfred:  When it's done
<chains11> bbl
<GeorgB3DR> qwab:  One type ..... for now
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<LeChuck> Hehehe
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<LeChuck> First time I've imitated an ape noise on irc.
<RobBrown> George:Just thought I'd let you know....Nick was here the other day. 
:)
* AlfredE wonders why LeChuck knows how to spell ape noises...
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<QWAB> thanks
<GeorgB3DR> ok, thanks
<D_Nukem> George: Nothing much has been said about vehicles.  Are they rare to 
see in the game, or are they like actors, same ones repeated throughout the 
game?
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<AlfredE> George: Whew. As long as it isn't "when it's _ready_"....    =+}
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<GeorgB3DR> dn:  still working all that out and trying to find a balance.  There 
will be lots of different types though.  But don;t expect one on every level. 
 Will be used sparingly
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<RobBrown> Anymore questions before George has to get back to work?
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<AlfredE> George: You know how many levels and/or episodes there'll be?
<QWAB> i think vehicles will realy slow down my comp
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<QWAB> will SW RUN on a 486 with 16 mb?
<GeorgB3DR> alfred:  28 levels.  Shareware will have 4, full game has the rest
<GeorgB3DR> qwab:  SLOWLY.  SW is a Pentium minimum game.  Don't even try a 486
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<RobBrown> Alfred:It will always be.....When it's ready. :)
<D_Nukem> George: Why the lack of shareware levels in your games now? 
<QWAB> i will try a 486 but you wont here complaints from me
<TrOy> can someone send me the subway map?
<QWAB> alfred until the day of released
<GeorgB3DR> dn:  You shouldn't need more than 4-5 levels to decide if you lika a 
game or not.  More incentive
<TheMAD> George: I asked why does the game halt and then come back on when I 
play 8 player Stadium BotMatch
<RobBrown> QWAB:Yes....can you say 4 fps? :)
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<AlfredE> Rob: Oh, I know, but this time he said something new: when it's 
done!
<D_Nukem> 4 fps is cool! :)
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<QWAB> rob: i will take 5 fps as a great frame rate
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<GeorgB3DR> themad:  Dunno
* RobBrown checks the calender quickly
<MattCake> George:Will it be more CPU intensive than Quack?
<QWAB> 5 is better then what i have sometimes in duke 0
<GeorgB3DR> matt:  Probbaly not
<RobBrown> 52 more days untill I get money to buy my P-200!
<MattCake> George:good-o <g> I get 17-20fps on Quake
<QWAB> so it will run faster then quake??
<GeorgB3DR> qwab:  SW will be slower than Duke in all cases.  Get a Pentium.
<GeorgB3DR> Matt:  What speed PC?
<AlfredE> George: I presume this will be another CD-in-drive thing?
<RobBrown> Hexen only had 4 levels
<QWAB> i can run quake at 15 fps smallest screen and res and no monsters
<TheMAD> George: someone said it's because there are too many dead bodies in the 
level...
<GeorgB3DR> On a P133, SW will rarely duck below 30 or so
<MattCake> George:P90, 16 meg
<GeorgB3DR> themad:  no
<QWAB> George it sucks about the cd in drive because then i have to load my cd 
drivers which will make duke slower
<RobBrown> I will take 35 fps as a "ok" framerate. ;)
<GeorgB3DR> Matt:  P90 will be close, but that's what the shareware's 
for,right?? :)
* AlfredE does some calculations. DOH. 10 Years till he gets any $$, let alone 
enough for a P:200
<QWAB> i would buy i pentium except i dont have that money tree i ordered yet
* hg_Away is away: Doing Stuff DO NOT page me cause it won't get my attention
<MattCake> George:I have a pretty gippy graphics card which I could prolly 
upgrade
<GeorgB3DR> qwab:  How do you play other games that need the CD then?
<MattCake> George:Yes shareware is for testing and for people to form an opinion 
<G>
<QWAB> i dont
<GeorgB3DR> there ya go :)
<QWAB> all other games suck i only play duke and quake 
<GeorgB3DR> so, you miss out on the music in quake too?
<QWAB> and all my cd games run on 4 megs
<MattCake> I can't fit both on my HD
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<QWAB> the musics sucks anyway
<RobBrown> QWAB:Since Duke uses a DOS extender....conventional memory shouldn't 
be much of a factor
<CF-GoD> george!!
<LOBO^> does anyone have superbowl.map
<QWAB> cant even hear it is so sucky anyway
<MattCake> Qwab:Doh! The music rules
<AlfredE> George: Will the curses be in Japanese, as planned? (and will there be 
the equiv of RTSs?)
<RobBrown> Lobo:Nope
<GeorgB3DR> alfred: Not sure if we will do the curse in japanese thing.  Count 
on NO for now.
<QWAB> but it does slow down my duke with the cd drivers
<MattCake> Qwab:no
<TheMAD> George: what about when I shoot Devastator, also in Stadium, it slows 
down and then comes back on
<GeorgB3DR> spend $100 of 8 more megs.  16 is the minimum these days
<MattCake> qwab:drivers are in RAM and don't affect CPU speed
<RobBrown> Have you looked for voice talent for SW yet?
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<GeorgB3DR> themad: what pc?  activity like the devastator will hurt the frame 
rate.  Nothing can be done
<AlfredE> George: Yer kidding! I bought a Japanese/English dictionary in 
anticipation!   (just kidding)
<QWAB> actualy i can spend $70 bucks more for 8 megs ram and am i not rich ok
<GeorgB3DR> rob:  Doing it now.  Auditions start soon
<RobBrown> George:kewl!
<QWAB> hey vince
<GeorgB3DR> QWAB:  I know, but games can only push the hardware so, far then you 
have to upgrade.
<[vince]> heya
<QWAB> i know but i am not rich
<MattCake> If we're on voices, anyone wanna hear my "Now, you will die" wav? 
Really cool and deep <G>
<TheMAD> George: P133 16Mb RAM.. no cache though :(
<QWAB> i am not saying make your game for a 486 i am just saying dont make me 
load my cd drivers
<MattCake> If you don't upgrade, the format dies
<RobBrown> Mattcake:Send her over! :)
<GeorgB3DR> later guys, getting back to work now....
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<D_Nukem> George: I asked you before about if Prey has a Win-32 Interface.  I 
guess I'm saying, will Prey be optimized for processors that process 32 
software much faster(like the PPro and WinNT) or are you saying with Win95 and 
Pentium?  The game is set for 1998, and the whole market will be changing to 
32 bit...what about Prey...
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<MPLAYER> hi
<QWAB> bye
<GeorgB3DR> DN:  Unknown at present
<FreddyK> hey George
<RobBrown> QWAB:It's going to be something required from ALL software companies
<AlfredE> George: What exactly is the point of the post-mortem vomiting? Will 
that do damage, or just for grins?
<[vince]> George: ~
<MattCake> C-ya later no doubt George <BG>
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<RobBrown> Bye Matt
<GeorgB3DR> hey freddy
<GeorgB3DR> later guys.....
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<AlfredE> Freddy: why if it isn't mr monster 3dfx blah blah blah... =+}
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<MattCake> Rob-me going nowhere <G>
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<AlfredE> man, he didn't answer my question!
<D_Nukem> He answered my quesion, kinda :)
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<MPLAYER> D_Nukem, do you min dif ask you how do get the screensaver pack to 
work that comes with Pultonium Pack?
<RobBrown> Oh..I missed George saying that MattCake..Do'H!
<\krycek\> how long did it take everyone else to install the pluto pack?  it 
took me like 30 min for it to patch it...
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<\krycek\> is that normal?
<D_Nukem> MPlayer: Is there a readme?
<MPLAYER> It took me 30 too
<QWAB> what ques?
<MattCake> rob:I did that last time <G>
<MPLAYER> No
<QWAB> krycek they cut off your left arm!!! ouch
<RobBrown> \krycek\:I heard people saying it was longer and shorter...depends on 
your PC
<LeChuck> AW crap...
<RobBrown> Welp...I gotta go too
<D_Nukem> MPlayer: What kind of problem are you having?
<RobBrown> Quality time!
<D_Nukem> Rob: log!
<RobBrown> bye all
<LeChuck> Next time he comes back, I'm sending him my Magic elf .wav rob
* AlfredE has a full log of George, if anyone wants it
<FreddyK> cya Rob
<D_Nukem> Rob: Can you post the log on your page?
<LeChuck> He'll want me for voice talent.
<LeChuck> ;)
<RobBrown> Oh....Okay....I'll post it later on
<\krycek\> cool
<MattCake> rob:listened to the wav?
<MPLAYER> \krycek\ you know about the AI feature right?
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<QWAB> alfrede can i have it???
<D_Nukem> later on = "When it's done?" or what? :)
<\krycek\> just wanted to make sure it wasnt all messed up
<QWAB> bye
<AlfredE> bye rob
<MPLAYER> bye
<\krycek\> m: no
<AlfredE> qwab sure hold on
<RobBrown> Cool MattcakE
<RobBrown> Bye
* D_Nukem says "Goodbye" to RobBrown.
<RobBrown> When it's dome!
<QWAB> ok
<RobBrown> done!
<MPLAYER> It says on the back of the box:
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<\krycek\> mplayer: no...what is iy?
<MPLAYER> qoute
<D_Nukem> I can get my own log...
<QWAB> now i have an excuse for not doing my homework, George was on irc
<D_Nukem> I guess I should op someone.
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* D_Nukem has to leave also...
* D_Nukem says "Goodbye" to everyone.
Session Close: Thu Dec 05 02:01:53 1996