George Broussard on #Duke3D  12-27-96

Log by Lon Matero
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<MtlHead> Hiya Rob
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<Georgb3DR> hey guys.  Everyone have a good xmas??
<MtlHead> Hello George!
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<[vince]> hey georgy-poo
<MtlHead> Yep:)
<RobBrown> What timing! Hi George. :)
<Cerebris> Hi George
<[vince]> i got mah 3Dfx card for xmas... joygasm w00w00
<MtlHead> Can't cut it any closer than that Rob:)
<Georgb3DR> Rob, finished Tomb Raider with 3dfx over the holiday...
<[vince]> George: rocks, doesn't it
<RobBrown> MtlHead and I were just talking earlier about getting 3dfx cards for 
   our Stealth 3d's
<HaHa> does anyone wanna play some dukematch with me? msg em if u wanna play 
   some duke
<Georgb3DR> Yup, looked like Prey a year ago on 3dfx :)
<[vince]> hehe
<RobBrown> George:That new PC is supposed to hit my doorstep 1/2
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<RobBrown> I'm jazzed! :)
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<D_Nukem> George: I was looking at the Official Apogee FAQ, and found this: 
  "Apogee and 3D Realms are sister companies, both divisions of Action 
  Entertainment, Inc."  Action Entertainment? Why haven
<[vince]> george: which 3Dfx card you got? the Monster or the Orchid?
<Georgb3DR> Monster...we have some real 3dfx cards too..Same deal
<D_Nukem> George: why haven't I seen that before?
<[vince]> yeah
<[vince]> i have the Monster.... love it
<Georgb3DR> DN:  All just legal mumbo jumbo and tax evasion techniques :)
<Cerebris> hehe
<[vince]> haaha
<[vince]> Robbie: bwahahaah
<RobBrown> hehhe
<D_Nukem> Umm...okay :)
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<Georgb3DR> Once people play accelerated games, they will never go back to 
   non-accelerated ones...
<[vince]> George: exactly
<[vince]> George: i have......... sadly........... stopped playing Duke
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<Georgb3DR> Not me.  Still can't beat the DukeMatch fun...
Session Close: Fri Dec 27 16:30:23 1996

Session Start: Fri Dec 27 16:32:04 1996
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  me about details. Thanks.
<Cerebris> My dad is making me pay for win95 if we get it :(
-MtlHead- Welcome! A scrict anti-warez policy is now in-force in this channel Ask 
  me about details. Thanks.
<[vince]> George: you guys making Prey win95? or going down that dead-end street 
   known as DOS?
<RobBrown> hehhehe
<Georgb3DR> We are 100% Win95 now, after Shadow Warrior and blood
<[vince]> GOOD
<Georgb3DR> Prey is all Win95
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<[vince]> George: Shadow Warrior shareware any time soon?
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<D_Nukem_> George: Does that also mean that the games you publish will be Win95?
<RobBrown> Win95 is starting to be a marketshare item nowadays
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<Georgb3DR> DN:  Yes, we are not taking non-win95 games anymore.
<Georgb3DR> Vince:  Not in Jan..
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<[vince]> oh, BTW, i just played the new version of Powerslave... MUCH nicer than 
   the old version
<[vince]> George:  bah..
<Georgb3DR> I coulnd't tell much of a difference
<D_Nukem> vince: I think it looked the same.
<[vince]> really?
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<RobBrown> vince:I did too.....not too much difference IMO
<MtlHead> Poerslave was bad before, and still is.
<Georgb3DR> Nope, art same, levels same....
<[vince]> well, the addition of 640x480 was good
<cookie> probly didn't play it expecting a duke3d, like the first time
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<RobBrown> Vince:Wasn't quite as buggy though
<[vince]> yeaH
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<MtlHead> George, since the 3dfx chipset sounds like it's gonna be the thing, 
   will Prey support 3dfx completely?
<RobBrown> I've been trying to talk D_Nukem into doing a cool Shadow Warrior 
   page......he's having trouble getting motivated. :)
<D_Nukem> George: How many years has Shadow Warrior been in development now?
<Georgb3DR> Sure, that's been planned since we first got the card...
<Georgb3DR> DN:  Don't ask...
<[vince]> haha
<RobBrown> ha!
<Georgb3DR> It actually started after Duke did....
<D_Nukem> I like looking at the May 1994 Screenshots of Shadow Warrior :)
<cookie> george, how's the mechwarrior guy doing with prey?
<Georgb3DR> Crappy eh?
<Georgb3DR> Cookie: Great...
<D_Nukem> Different :)
<[vince]> May 1994?
<[vince]> where?
<MtlHead> Hell, hasn't Blood been on the developement drawing board for awhile 
   as well;)
<Georgb3DR> Yup...
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<D_Nukem> vince: In the Hocus Pocus slideshow
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<RobBrown> Those screenshots look really bad compared to what screenshots are 
   looking like now.
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<Georgb3DR> The game's been overhauled a couple of times.  Now we are trying to 
   wrap it up.
<[vince]> George: how is the transparent water in shaodw warrior looking? 
   doesn't the fact that it is sprite-based kinda screw up the effect?
<RobBrown> So can you give us an update on what things are being worked on 
   George?
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<Georgb3DR> Vince:  Nope, and it's not sprite based at all.  Not all water will 
   be see through, but that stuff that is will run fast
<[vince]> umm... shadow warrior is polygon? when did this happen? 
<RobBrown> vince:It's voxel
<Georgb3DR> Rob:  Trying to get net up and stable, so we can start testing it 
   all.  Wepaons done and tweaking.  Actors being tweaked.  Still 4-5 more to 
   create
<[vince]> ah, ok
<Georgb3DR> Vince:  Not polygon, but the see thru water is not sprites either
<[vince]> i know that
<Undertow> Hey everyone, I've been getting a hall of mirrors type effect when 
   using build with parallax ceilings.... but it doesn't do that in the actual 
   game, does anyone know what's going on?
<Georgb3DR> Rob:  Only the pick up items are voxel 
<RobBrown> George:Oh
<[vince]> but i am saying that a sprite can't be half way thru the water/half 
   way out, can it?
<Georgb3DR> Characters are still sprites
<Georgb3DR> Vince: We are doing that now.  We think it can....actually...
<RobBrown> Shootable items> Sprites?
<[vince]> George: really? spammy :)
<D_Nukem> George: How many actors are planned for Shareware? Registered?
<Georgb3DR> Rob:  Some might be voxels as well...Depends on time
<Georgb3DR> DN:  Standard fare.  4-5 in shareware, 10+ in full version
<MtlHead> Is the railgun as lethal as it was in the movie "Eraser"?
<[vince]> George: you got any other projects going right now? other than shadow 
   warrior, prey and blood? (i know you guys aren't making blood.. bah)
<RobBrown> Okay...tell us your favorite weapon in SW George. :)
<Georgb3DR> mtl:  needs to be tweaked for fun factor, but yes...
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<Georgb3DR> Rob:  Right now, the sticky mines :) 
<MtlHead> The sticky mines sound like fun:)
<D_Nukem> Rob: Do we have a screenshot anywhere of the mines? I don't think so.
<Georgb3DR> Vince: We're doing Shadow Warrior, Prey and the next Duke in house. 
<RobBrown> Sticky mines sound like they will be a fun item to blow things up 
   with. :)
<JWolf> Guys, what is the URL for X-Mas Duke?
<Georgb3DR> Out of house are:  Blood, Balls of Steel and Duke Forever (scroller)
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<RobBrown> D_Nukem:Yes we do
<D_Nukem> JWolf: I think it's off of Elitegames.com
<JWolf> K.
<JWolf> Thanks.
<Georgb3DR> DN: SW page at www.3drealms.com
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<RobBrown> There is a couple "mine" shots there
<ill> rob: what is a warez?
<hi1> hi ppl can i join to your game sometime?
<MtlHead> Will you be able to attach a sticky mine to a player during Dukematch? 
    That was a fun tthing ya could do in a QuakeC patch:)
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<RobBrown> ill:Did you figure out that red card in Babes?
<Septic> hi all
<Georgb3DR> MtL:  Already can :)
<Georgb3DR> They stick to anything
<MtlHead> Cool!
<ill> rob: no, i just ended up using a cheat code :(
<RobBrown> ill:Illegal transfer of copyrighted stuff.....pirating
<D_Nukem> George: The storyline for SW is last on the list? :)
<RobBrown> ill:I played it again....when you shoot the targets down..it opens a 
   door behind the prizes
<Georgb3DR> DN:  Yes.  Actually January will be the finalization month for all 
   in the game.  If it doesn't fit in Jan, it get's dropped
<ill> does anyone know if you can play modem games with ver 1.4 hooked onto 1.5?
<MtlHead> ill, no
<ill> how bout 1.3d to 1.4?
<RobBrown> ill:Versions have to match...true with any game
<hi1> hi ppl can i join to your game sometime?
<MtlHead> versions must match
<RobBrown> join our game?
<ill> so i can only play people with atomic edition now???
<Georgb3DR> yes
<MtlHead> ill, yep
<ill> i have to have to versions of it on my hard drive now! :(
<RobBrown> ill:Just but 1.3D in a different directory if you have friends 
   without PPak
<ill> i have noone to play with the atomic edition
<MtlHead> I have v1.3d in another directory for people who do not have the Pluto 
   Pack yet.
<Georgb3DR> tell them to go buy it then :)
<ill> yes, that is what i will have to do
<ill> ahhaahha
<Septic> anyone here made any of their own duke levels please?
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<Cerebris> hehe
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<HyLo> i have PPak   phew i am lucky
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<ill> Hylo: why are you lucky?
<RobBrown> HyLo:You are "un-lame" :)
<hi1> hi ppl can i join to your game sometime?
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<MtlHead> hi1, explain please?
<TurboTilt> What does Shadow Warrior have that Duke 3D doesn't?
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<RobBrown> hi1:What drugs are you on? Will you share? ;)
<ve5va> Septic: Only a little bit - but what do you need to know?
<D_Nukem> George: Tuesday, there was no sign of the PPak, or any other version 
  of Duke in a local Best Buy.  Maybe sold out.
<Georgb3DR> DN:  I think the initial run is all gone 
<Septic> I just wanna get some more .map files to play/learn from
<RobBrown> Costco and Future Shop has PPak in Yakima,WA
<Georgb3DR> Turbo: Lotsa little things.  Some see thru water.  Ladders. Drivable 
   things like tanks. Rooms over rooms, true bridges and more
<ill> does anyone here have TEN?
<Septic> anyone know a good site for getting new .map files please?
<ve5va> George: SEND SOME PLUTOs UP HERE - it's too cold to do anything else 
   except play DUKE :-)
<RobBrown> A Duke3D Levels page with LOTS of maps is http://www.kinglink.com/duke
   3d.html
<D_Nukem> I don't think any stores in the Detroit area have it.
<Septic> thanx
<RobBrown> Sure Septic
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<TurboTilt> Georgb3DR: What does Shadow Warrior have that Duke Nukem 3D doesn't?
<MtlHead> Turbo, scroll up
<RobBrown> <Georgb3DR> Turbo: Lotsa little things.  Some see thru water.  
   Ladders. Drivable things like tanks. Rooms over rooms, true bridges and more
<[vince]> George: you share my opinion of Hexen2? (You can put gold on shit 
   (quake) but it's like, still shit.. ya know?)
<ve5va> Septic: Also try www.bayserve.com/~mike/duke
<Georgb3DR> Vince:  Dunno about that :)
<[vince]> hehew00
<Septic> thanx ve5va
<[vince]> i dunno..
<Georgb3DR> We will see about Hexen 2.  The shots look cool. Looks like they are 
   going for "real" places like in Duke, that you can identify with. That will 
   be cool
<[vince]> from the new batch of screenshots
<Georgb3DR> What are the new shots like?
<[vince]> from the new batch of screenshots looks boring as hell
<RobBrown> George:If they go with teleports and hand to hand combat.....it will 
   suck IMO
<Georgb3DR> Is that the plan?
<RobBrown> They have 2 movies to view on XMAS day of Hexen2 and they depict hand 
   to hand
<MtlHead> Rob, if they drop the "Hub" design and add more range weapons...it'll 
   be better.
<[vince]> there were 2 movies of Unreal on xmas day
<Georgb3DR> How'd they look?
<[vince]> sweet!
<[vince]> one of them showed off the 16 bit texture sets
<RobBrown> Vince:Maybe Hexen 2 were before Xmas...I might be wrong...I viewed 
   them on Xmas though. :)
<D_Nukem> Hexen 2 movies, Unreal movies, where are the Prey movies? :)
<[vince]> but it wasn't too great because a .mov is pretty low quality
<[vince]> aNd the other showed off the lighting
<[vince]> that fucking RULED
<RobBrown> There is a cool Prey shot on the 3dfx homepage D_Nukem
<TurboTilt> Does anyone have any Duke 3D maps that they made? I'll put any maps 
   that anyone sends me on my Webpage.
<D_Nukem> Rob: Yeah, that looks good, but far from a movie :)
<Septic> bbl all
<Septic> thanx
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<Georgb3DR> DN:  You guys really like the movies?  I mean the quality is crap, 
   they are 1+ megs and you get just a couple of seconds.
<RobBrown> George:Stop all work on Prey so D_Nukem can watch a Prey movie! 
<Georgb3DR> Really worth the effort?
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<MtlHead> I think the movies are a waste of time....not worth the download
<[vince]> George: go download the 8 meg Unreal movie
<[vince]> well worth it
<[vince]> to see the lighting
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<Georgb3DR> We should make video tapes and sell them for $5 of a work in 
   progress....Turn it into a profit center
<D_Nukem> George: You get more of a feel of the game.  Plus, I would download 
  anything for a preview, no matter the size.
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<MtlHead> haha
<RobBrown> They are frills. I admit I download a few.....sorta wet the appetite.
<Georgb3DR> We should sell an hour long Prey walkthrough vide for $5...
<MtlHead> But it's such a small taste.....
<RobBrown> hehehe
<MtlHead> There ya go George:)
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<D_Nukem> Yeah, sounds good!
<RobBrown> George:You'd probably make some money
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<RobBrown> Especially if you threw some porn in there with the video ;)
<Georgb3DR> We'd probably get hammered cause the tape wouldn't work on BetaMax 
   machines :)  
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<MtlHead> lol
<Georgb3DR> Get people bitchin for a laserdisc version with THX sound etc.  Pain 
   in the ass
<MtlHead> What a perv;)
<RobBrown> It's not easy being sick as me. :)
<ve5va> practice, practice, practice :-)
<RobBrown> Hey..I'm a construction worker...I have a reputation!
<[vince]> George: you seen the newest Unreal screenshots? 
<Georgb3DR> no, not yet
<RobBrown> Practice makes pervfect
<Georgb3DR> guess I'll mosey on over later...
<ve5va> xactly
<D_Nukem> George: My Apogee / 3D Realms page is finished.  I e-mailed you the 
  URL, did you take a look?
<MtlHead> Hell, We military are given a sick reputation when we join;)
<[vince]> George: check them out.. 16 bit, look really cool
<Georgb3DR> DN:  Yes, and joe has it on the links page.
<RobBrown> MtlHead:Yeppers
<Georgb3DR> 16 bit anything looks cool :)
<[vince]> hehe
<[vince]> yup =)
<Georgb3DR> I want to see 3dfx accelerated unreal shots...
<[vince]> George: you guys getting geared up for prey now? seems like shadow 
   warrior is almost done, are you getting ready for serious Prey work?
<[vince]> George: you want to see some? mail Mark Rein
<Georgb3DR> Vince:  Prey is all business now.  People are working on it every 
   day.
<[vince]> cool
<Georgb3DR> Prey and the next Duke are our big internal games after Shadow 
   Warrior is out.
<[vince]> mrein@epicgames.com or markr@epicgames.com
<Georgb3DR> why don't you email him?
<Georgb3DR> :)
<D_Nukem> George: And the video crew is coming in to do the "Making of Prey" 
  video? :)
<[vince]> i have
<RobBrown> I'll bet Todd is already excited about doing the next Duke project.
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<Georgb3DR> Yes he is.  Been bouncing off the walls bored after Plutonium..
<[vince]> george: i have talked to him on the phone. (Mark Rein)
<[vince]> just mail him, he will do it, i'm almost positive
<RobBrown> One of these days I'll ave to get my butt down to Garland and meet 
   you guys.
<MtlHead> Don't know if they let you sick types enter Texas Rob;)
<RobBrown> Have you had any testers visit Apogee?
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<RobBrown> MtlHead:Never thought about that
<D_Nukem> George: What next on the list for the Shadow Warrior team after Shadow 
  Warrior?
<MtlHead> Damn Rob, ya beat me on that kick again;)
<RobBrown> D_Nukem:Shadow Warrior 2 if SW 1 is successful I'd guess
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<AxeKiller> Hello!
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<MtlHead> hi Axe
<AxeKiller> Hi George!
<RobBrown> Hello Mr. Killer
<Georgb3DR> rob:  no.
<AxeKiller> Rob, hey, that's hush hush =)
<Georgb3DR> DN:  Not sure yet.  They might go on their own, or be absorbed into 
   Prey etc. There are only 2 guys, that are not on the next Duke or Prey
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<RobBrown> Frank and Eric?
<Georgb3DR> Frank Maddin and jim Norwood.  Eric is sort of an external 
   mapper/contractor
<RobBrown> Ah!
<Georgb3DR> Leter guys. gotta run...
<hi1> if u know a site with polution pak 1.5 plz dcc or msg me
<AxeKiller> bye!
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<RobBrown> Jim Norwood is from WA....I can't recall other projects he's been 
   involved with.
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<MtlHead> Adios George!